Responding to Professor Kean Gibson’s letter on Hinduism

first_imgDear Editor,Permit me to respond to a letter which appeared in sections of the print media on December 22, 2019, authored by Professor Kean Gibson with the caption, “Not a misunderstanding of caste, but how to manage the ideology”.The gist of Professor Gibson’s article was about violence against women and suicide. Somehow, unfortunately, the author found it necessary to link this thematic issue to religion, Hinduism. The contents thereto are a classic reflection of the profundity of obliviousness, and deeply void of scholarly merit. The author obviously delved into a subject area in which she demonstrably has fundamentally limited knowledge of, much less wisdom.Now, if I may illuminate the learned Professor, it was posited in the missive that “the religion has a hierarchical structure so that those at the bottom have no entitlements and are perceived as the harbingers of destruction.” Before I dismantle this misconception, according to the Vedic teachings, this current era/age we are living in is called “Kaalyug,” which literally means the age of ignorance.Firstly, the caste system, religion and even the word “Hinduism” are all man-made. These were never created by God or the divine being, or who some refer to as the divine energy. What is being referred to and is commonly accepted by the Western world as Hinduism, is called “Sanatan Dharma”, which means a “way of life”. Therefore, Sanatan Dharma is not a religion.In the sacred scripture which is known as the Ramayana, there is a scenario which validates this premise of the caste system being a man-made ideology. The Ramayana is accessible online these days and the Professor can refer to the chapter which speaks of the scenario of a devotee (follower and worshiper of God) by the name of Shabari.Shabari was an acetic devoted woman to Lord Rama, but she was regarded by the wise men of that time, saints and sages, as belonging to the lowest caste and hence, she was not allowed to even enter the Ashrams of the sages. She was despised by society. She was old, feeble and physically unpleasant. However, her love and devotion for Lord Ram were unmatched, unconditional and beyond description.She converted her home into an Ashram and with the firm faith that the Lord would visit her one day, each morning as she woke up, she would fill her walkway with flowers for the Lord to walk upon whenever he visits. One day, that day she waited for years came when the Lord himself paid her a visit. She greeted her Lord at the entrance to her little cottage, fell to his feet and washed his feet with tears from her eyes.Out of pure love, she escorted him into her home and offered a seat. All she had to offer was a fruit (she had dongs tree in her yard). She tasted each one of the fruits before she offered it to the Lord because she wanted him to have the best. When Lakshman, Sri Ram’s brother saw that Lord Ram was about to eat the “jutah” fruit from the outcaste woman, (as he scorned her), Lakshman was scolded by Lord Ram and he explained, it is not the fruit he is enjoying, but the love it is offered with.Now, this scenario from the Ramayana has many lessons about life that we can learn from. The first lesson is, God himself, in the incarnation of Lord Rama, did not recognise the caste system, for him, we are all equal. The caste system was created by human beings, not God. Another important lesson is, it teaches how we must treat others and especially when visitors come to your home. The first thing she did was to greet the Lord at her gate, then offer a seat, then food, then after eating, they started a conversation.Growing up, these were the values my parents taught me which is becoming a lost value today. When you visit people’s home, they don’t even offer you water much less food, and if they do, they ask, if you want some food. Most of the times, the response would be no out of shyness, but you are hungry as hell. These are true exemplars of hospitality demonstrated by the Lord himself in the Ramayana, how to treat others with care, compassion and love.The professor also went on to talk about suicide and reincarnation. Reincarnation has nothing to do with suicide, in fact, suicide is a sin. The very Ramayana I made reference to, taught us, demonstrated by the Lord himself, how to deal with suicide. Unfortunately, space would not permit me to delve into that scenario but I would like to urge Professor Gibson to read Kiskindha Kaandh of the Ramayana, and she is free to contact me, I will be extremely happy to interpret the higher philosophical meaning of the scenarios in that chapter of the Ramayana as it pertains to suicide.Finally, the author sought to link the violence against women to perceived inferiority promoted by some cultures. This idea is extremely ill-conceived by the author. Sanatan dharma, in fact, worships the divine being in feminine form. If there is one culture that teaches women are superior to men, it is Sanatan Dharma.We celebrate Diwali as a national holiday, this celebration is dedicated to the worship of the goddess Lakshmi who is the goddess of wealth and prosperity. Even God in masculine form, cannot exist without the feminine energy, there is another story the vedas or the puranas with Lord Shiva and Durga to this end, again I will revert Professor Gibson to research these, as I am giving her the references where to find them.The violence against women, by men, is not because of the inferiority of women, rather it is the inferiority of men. Only weak and insecure men would revert to such acts. Real strong men know of the worth of a woman, she is the very essence of life, energy and prosperity.Yours faithfully,JC Bhagwandin, MScMBA Lecturerlast_img read more

Anns Grove man remanded for murder

first_imgA 35-year-old man was on Wednesday arraigned for murder when he appeared at the Sparendaam Magistrate’s Court before Magistrate Zamina Seepaul-Ally.Rawle Munroe, of Lot 40 Two Friends, Anns Grove, East Coast Demerara (ECD), was not required to plead to the indictable charge which stated that on May 26, Independence Day, he murdered 23-year-old Edward Bevaney at Beterverwagting,Murdered: Edward BevaneyECD.The accused was remanded to prison and was expected to return to court on June 26.It was previously reported that Munroe and Bevaney of Ogle Street, Triumph, ECD, worked together in the interior several years ago, but became enemies over a soured business deal.The two reportedly crossed each other’s path on May 26 when Munroe visited a shop in Beterverwagting about 08:00h.An altercation ensued which led to both men being stabbed. However, Bevaney succumbed to his injuries.Munroe was later arrested and charged.last_img read more

Accused thief who swallowed stolen pendant remanded

first_imgA known thief who reportedly attacked a woman outside of the Georgetown Magistrates’ Courts was on Friday remanded to prison for snatching her gold chain and swallowing the $80,000 pendant attached to it.Marcino Benn, the defendant, has been remanded by Magistrate Leron Daly.It is alleged that on August 30, 2018, at Croal Street, Georgetown, Benn attacked Cydella Blair and stole from her one gold chain valued $35,000, along with one silver chain valued $15,000.The court heard that the virtual complainant (VC) had just left the courts and was about to cross the street when she was attacked. She raised and alarm and Police officials at the court rushed to her assistance.Benn was arrested, and during the process, he allegedly swallowed the pendant.He was denied bail after Police Prosecutor Sanj Singh revealed that he currently has a pending matter of a similar nature before the courts.Benn is expected to make his next court appearance on October 2.last_img read more

Nandlall refutes AG’s claim of “blocking” law school

first_img– says Legal Council seems unaware of GoG/UCC MoUFormer Attorney General and Legal Affairs Minister Anil Nandlall has denied claims by his successor, Basil Williams, SC, that he was trying to “prevent” the establishment of a law school here.At a press conference on Wednesday, AG Williams in a statement to media operatives said that “Mr Anil Nandlall of the PPP/C has written the Council of Legal Education maliciously, seeking to prevent the establishment of the law school in Guyana.”Former Attorney General and Legal Affairs Minister Anil NandlallA claim which Nandlall has refuted, saying he “did no such thing”. In fact, the former AG posited that he was merely trying to ascertain whether the Legal Council had granted permission to the Guyana Government to establish the law school here.Two weeks ago, Williams signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the University of the Caribbean (UCC) and Law College of the Americas (LCA) for the establishment of JOF Haynes Law School of the Americas (JHLSA) in Guyana with the permission of the Council of Legal Education that was given some two decades ago.However, in a statement on Thursday, Nandlall pointed out that there seemed to be a shift in Williams’ position with regard to permission received from the Council.“As an Executive Member of the Council of Legal Education, from December 2011 to May 2015, I know that the permission granted to Guyana 20 years ago is no longer extant and has been long overtaken by other decisions. Being well acquainted with the modus operandi of the Attorney General, I suspected that he was misleading the nation when he said the Guyana has the permission of the Council to establish this current law school,” he stated.To this end, Nandlall added that he wrote the Chairman of the Council of Legal Education on January 21, 2017 about the agreement that was signed for the establishment of the law school. In the letter, he requested information on whether: “the Council of Legal Education is aware of this initiative; this initiative enjoys the authority and support of the Council; the aforementioned institutions are recognised by the Council.”The former AG said the Chairman Reginald Armour, SC, responded to him two days later.The response from the CLE Chairman, which Nandlall released, outlines that, “…The fact of media reports of the Memorandum of Understanding (to establish a law school in Guyana) was last raised at the meeting of the Council of Legal Education in Antigua and Barbuda in September 2016 and will be further discussed by the Council of Legal Education at the meeting of the Executive Committee of the Council scheduled to be held in Jamaica on the 27th of this month. Please be so advised.”According to Nandlall, he interprets this response as the Legal Council is now learning of the agreement to establish the law school here.“The Council has not even been formally informed of this matter and accordingly, could not have given this project its permission. It is clear that our Attorney General has a peculiar allergy to the truth. I do not know for how long the President will allow this circus to continue at 95 Carmichael Street,” the former AG posited.Williams is currently in Jamaica for the CLE’s Meeting of the Executive Committee, which is slated for today and Saturday. At that meeting, he is expected to bring up the MoU signed for the establishment of a law school here.Additionally, the AG is also expected to partake in a press conference and reception in furtherance of a programme to sensitise the Jamaican public on the establishment of the law school in Guyana.last_img read more

Women plea for Rose Hall to remain open

first_imgThe women of Rose Hall and surrounding villages in Berbice, Region Six (East Berbice-Corentyne) are calling on the Government to rethink its decision to close the sugar estate. The women joined the picket line on Thursday as workers attached to the Rose Hall Sugar Factory intensified their protest action against the impending closure of the estate.Margret Persaud, a parent whose husband is bedridden, explained that her sales at the pay office market on Fridays are from the workers. If the factory closes, so too will that market, and finding an alternative may prove difficult.Persaud said she is begging for the factor to remain open so that workers can keep their jobs.Some of the women of Rose Hall, Berbice protesting the closure of the estateMeanwhile, another woman explained that as a domestic worker, there will be no need for her if the estate closes. She explained that persons who do domestic work will no longer be needed, as persons will no longer be able to pay them.Women in mainstream business are also worried.Sherry Beeepat, who operates a manufacturing store, also joined the protest on Thursday. She says the furniture manufacturing factory at Canefield, East Canje – which has been in existence for 31 years – will have to close if the estate does. The business is sustained by the estate’s workers.“The closure of the Rose Hall Estate means the closure of my business and I also head the East Canje Humanitarian which assists bedridden and disabled people. The closure of the estate means the closure of our organisation. We do out fundraising in the community… if the estate is closed, where would the people get money to support.”The women who joined their menfolk on the protest line on Thursday are calling for management of the Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo) and Government to meet and think of a better solution to the issues currently affecting the industry.They say many families are indebted to lending agencies and also have instalments to pay for household appliances.According to Tina Seepersaud, whose husband is likely to lose his job by year end, the family is indebted to a lending institution and the impending closure could be devastating for her family.“My husband works at the estate and when the estate closes, the property will be taken and we will be on the street. Please, Government see what can be done for the people of Berbice,” she appealed.The ‘white paper’ on sugar was presented to the National Assembly by Agriculture Minister Noel Holder on Monday.Former Agriculture Minister, Dr Leslie Ramsammy describes the document as a ‘non-paper’, saying it is another cruel and shameless attempt to change the narrative.The white paper, he says, conveniently ignored real questions about consolidation of estates. “Already, Uitvlugt has demonstrated that transportation of canes from Wales to Uitvlugt is filled with problems – transportation of cane to the factory has increased cost of production. The same will be true for canes from most of the Rose Hall cultivation to Albion. In spite of GuSuCO’s denial, Providence cane cultivation which is part of the Rose Hall estate was closed since the end of 2015. Albion which presently boasts the lowest cost of sugar production and the most efficient in terms of cane to sugar ratio will be transformed into a less efficient estate. It will be impossible to maintain Enmore/LBI cultivation since transport to any factory will be prohibitive.”Last year Government closed the Wales factory on the West Bank of Demerara leaving hundreds of persons unemployed. The closure of the Wales Estate is not yet settled, as some workers are still protesting Government’s withholding of their severance pay.Also, the operations of the La Bonne Intention Estate, on the East Coast of Demerara, were amalgamated last year with those of the Enmore Estate in order to make both estates more efficient, according to GuySuCo. The Guyana Agricultural and General Workers Union has noted that thousands of persons stand to be affected by the closure of these estates which employs persons in the field, factory, security, administrative and managerial sections. (Andrew Carmichael)last_img read more

£20m Liverpool bid, Di Maria doesn’t want to ‘prove’ himself and offer made for Pogba – transfer rumours

first_img Transfer rumours for Sunday 22 March Rounding up the best of the transfer rumours for Sunday…Manchester United midfielder Angel Di Maria, 27, has told his advisors he wants to leave the club rather than try and “prove” himself under Louis van Gaal. (Mail on Sunday)And United’s £50m-rated keeper David De Gea, 24, is refusing to sign a new contract at Old Trafford and could depart in a cut-price deal at the end of the season, with Real Madrid among several clubs interested. (Sunday Mirror)Juventus director Pavel Nedved says Paris Saint-Germain have made an offer for France international midfielder Paul Pogba, 22, who has been linked with a move to the Premier League. (Metro)Meanwhile, Manchester City are planning to spend more than £100m in the summer and are targeting former Manchester United youngster Pogba, plus 21-year-old Liverpool winger Raheem Sterling. (The Sun on Sunday)Liverpool are preparing to offer £19.5m for Dynamo Kiev striker Andriy Yarmolenko, 25, who scored in the Ukraine club’s midweek Europa League win against Everton. (Daily Star Sunday)The Old Trafford club are also tracking Borussia Dortmund’s Mats Hummels, 26, and are confident of landing their target after the German club indicated they are prepared to sell the centre-back in the summer. (The Sun on Sunday)Everton manager Roberto Martinez is understood to have spoken to Marseille winger Andre Ayew, 25, about making a move to the Premier League in the summer when his contract expires. (Sunday People)West Ham are planning a fresh attempt to sign Tottenham’s Emmanuel Adebayor this summer after missing out on the 31-year-old Togo striker in the January transfer window. (Sunday Mirror)Click here to stay up to date with all the latest transfer rumours 1last_img read more

THE SKIES THE LIMIT FOR THE FINN VALLEY FLYING CLUB THIS WEEKEND

first_imgThe Finn Valley Flying Club, based at the airfield at Carrickbrack, Convoy will run a Fly-in BBQ/Family day event this Saturday the 10th August from 12 Noon. The event will be a Charity event held for “Fix Crumlin” and in particular will help fund the new Children’s Cancer wing at the hospital.If the weather plays ball we will get to see aircraft landing from all over Ireland and indeed from the UK too. The day kicks off around Midday and aircraft will arrive from Friday night and throughout Saturday. Around 3pm there will be a full aerobatic flying display by one of Irelands top display pilots, this will be a first for Donegal and not to be missed.There will be model aircraft and helicopters, and we may even have a visit by the Air rescue Sikorsky helicopter on the day.Bouncy castles will be available for the children & a full BBQ kicks off around 2 pm.This is a unique event, run by Finn Valley Flying Club to raise funds for Crumlin Hospital for sick children. So if you’re free on Saturday come along and see something uniquely different. It will be signposted from all surrounding towns. The entrance fee is a donation to the “Fix Crumlin” appeal.Find out more about the event on the website at www.finnvalleyflyingclub.com or “find us on Facebook” where you can “like us” to have a chance of winning a flight in an aeroplane during the day. THE SKIES THE LIMIT FOR THE FINN VALLEY FLYING CLUB THIS WEEKEND was last modified: August 7th, 2013 by John2Share this:Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window)Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window)Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window)Click to share on Telegram (Opens in new window)Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window)Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window)Click to print (Opens in new window) Tags:AeroplanescharityconvoyCrumlinFinn Valley Flying clubfundraiserhelicopterslast_img read more

DONEGAL LEGEND SHOCKS FANS AFTER TIPPING DUBLIN TO MARCH ON TO FINAL

first_imgAll-Ireland winner Martin McHugh has shocked thousands of Donegal GAA fans by tipping Dublin to beat Donegal at Croke Park next Sunday.The well-known pundit was asked to give a one-word answer on who would march on and meet Kerry in the All-Ireland Final during last night’s Sunday Game on RTE One.And the Kilcar GAA analyst agreed with fellow commentators Kevin McStay and Jason Sherlock when asked the magic question by RTE’s Des Cahill. McHugh who also tipped Kildare to be too strong in the quarter final against Jim McGuinness’s side.The commentator, who played a huge part in Donegal’s All-Ireland victory in 1992 and whose son Mark plays for the team, didn’t give any reasons for his choice.But the decision will shock thousands of fans across the county who are preparing to get behind their side with less than a week to go before the county’s biggest game for years.Jim McGuinness and his side will remain unaffected by McHugh’s surprising choice – instead preferring to remain focussed on Sunday’s game. The panel spent the weekend in Redcastle building team morale and discussing tactics ahead of the sold-out encounter.EndsEndsDONEGAL LEGEND SHOCKS FANS AFTER TIPPING DUBLIN TO MARCH ON TO FINAL was last modified: August 22nd, 2011 by StephenShare this:Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window)Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window)Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window)Click to share on Telegram (Opens in new window)Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window)Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window)Click to print (Opens in new window) Tags:Martin McHughRTESunday Gamelast_img read more

Donegal tourism businesses set to make the connection online

first_imgThe best of our county is set to be showcased online in novel ways following today’s Donegal Tourism Seminar in Letterkenny.From viral videos to quirky shop signs, the movers and shakers in local tourism learned today how going digital is the key to engaging people online and promoting Donegal. With the likes of Slieve League, Glenveagh and stunning beaches, the natural beauty of the county may speak for itself, but it takes social media and clever marketing to encourage visitors to come and enjoy them, as attendees learned at the seminar in An Grianan Theatre. Donegal Tourism Ltd and Donegal County Council invited keynote speakers Barry Walsh, Digital Marketing Executive of OSD, and Darragh Doyle, an online audience strategist, to educate Donegal tourism businesses on how they can maximise their potential. This involved online strategies relating to social media, e-mail marketing, SEO, tourism trends, website internationalisation and more.The message of the day was that the future is bright for Donegal tourism, and businesses have never before had so many opportunities to demonstrate how Donegal can be a world-class tourism destination on the Wild Atlantic Way.Plus, connecting with tourists before, during and after their holidays can ensure they find the best hotels, restaurants and activities to have a great experience here.Future plans for marketing Donegal tourism in 2017 are set to be focused online, which were highlighted by Chairman of Donegal Tourism Ltd and Chief Executive of Donegal County Council, Mr. Seamus Neely. “We will continue to promote Donegal to the UK and US market, but will also increase marketing activities towards other EU markets such as France and Germany with plans in place towards internationalisation of our online presence including aspects such as translation and multi-lingual focused marketing campaigns,” Neely said.  Donegal tourism businesses set to make the connection online was last modified: October 4th, 2016 by Rachel McLaughlinShare this:Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window)Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window)Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window)Click to share on Telegram (Opens in new window)Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window)Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window)Click to print (Opens in new window)last_img read more

Letterkenny charities join forces to launch celebrity cookery event

first_imgTwo local charities are cooking up exciting plans for a celebrity cookery event with Kevin Dundon, one of Ireland’s most loved chefs. The Friends of Letterkenny University Hospital and Conwal Parish Church in Letterkenny’s Cathedral Quarter are jointly hosting this great evening of food and entertainment taking place  in the Clanree Hotel, Letterkenny on Wednesday Sept 12th.Letterkenny man and comedian Andy McGranaghan will be MC for the evening, so a highly entertaining night out is in store for all. Kevin Dundon promises to serve up a most enjoyable evening, with cooking advice, inspiration, and lots of recipe hints and tips. His tasty recipes on the night will demonstrate how to get the most from the great value and fresh ingredients available from your local food producers and suppliers.Funds raised will go towards two special projects: a new respiratory diagnostic service for Letterkenny University Hospital and the restoration of the church organ at Conwal Parish Church. Peter Cutliffe of the Friends of Letterkenny University Hospital charity said: “We always have fundraising ongoing at the FLUH, but we were approached by two Consultant Physicians who specialise in respiratory medicine in the hospital here in Letterkenny.”“Their main core of their scheduled work relates to the diagnosis and treatment of acute and chronic lung disease, inclusive of lung cancer. We have agreed to fund the development of a new forensic diagnostic service, EBUS for Letterkenny University Hospital. “EBUS stands for endobronchial ultrasound, a medical procedure that is performed during bronchoscopy, to provide further information to diagnose or determine the stage of lung cancer. “This relatively new technique allows doctors to view regions of the lungs and surrounding chest areas that have traditionally required more invasive surgical procedures to evaluate. The procedure is usually performed as an outpatient procedure or a same-day surgery and is considered a minimally invasive procedure.”“The introduction of this new service will significantly enhance cancer services in Letterkenny University Hospital and we looking forward to welcoming you to this unique event with Kevin Dundon in Letterkenny,” concludes Peter.Conway Parish Church and FLUH committee members – Alister Moore, Anne Condon , Rev. David Houlton and Synthia Fuery. FLUH: Eileen Bannon, Paddy Rooney and Peter Cutliff, Chairman. Photo Clive WassonThis is an exciting event for Conwal Parish Church’s Rev David Houlton, Rector of Conwal Union and Gartan Parish, as it is the first fundraiser he will host as new Rector of the church. David and his family have been welcomed by the local community and he has plans to use the funds to restore the church organ which is 130 years old to its full glory. Commenting on the launch of the event David said, “I am excited and delighted to be involved in this restoration and fund-raising event and knowing the money will go towards restoring our Church Organ which is not only part of our church’s history but part of the history of Letterkenny Town. I am looking forward to meeting everyone on the night and if anyone would like tickets please feel free to contact me or any member of our organising committee.”Conwal Parish Church and LKUH Fundraisers –Conwal, – Alister Moore, Anne Condon , Rev. David Houlton and Synthia Fuery.FLUH, Eileen Bannon, Paddy Rooney and Peter Cutliff, Chairman.Photo Clive WassonThe kitchen set-up will be arranged by Kenny Maguire from Maguire Cookery Demos, Letterkenny, who has brought cookery demonstrations to clubs, charities and food festivals the length and breadth of Ireland. Brother of celebrity chef, Nevin Maguire, Kenny is well known amongst the celebrity chef world and he now brings Kevin Dundon and a fantastic night’s entertainment to Letterkenny. Kenny is delighted that two local charities will benefit from the proceeds. The spot prizes on the night range from vouchers to Kevin Dundon’s Cookery School in Wexford, 32” TV, hotel breaks all over Ireland, designer jewellery to name but a few. Local crafts people and local artisan producers along with local businesses will also be in attendance to showcase their wonderful products. Guests won’t want to miss the chance of not only a great night out, but to win some amazing prizes too.Both the friends of Letterkenny University Hospital and the community from Conwal Parish Church are also delighted to have on board Kelly’s Toyota, Letterkenny and Mountcharles as their main sponsor of this event. They also would like to thank everyone who donated raffle prizes, booked stalls and bought tickets.Tickets are available from : The Hotel Reception at Clanree Hotel, Port Rd., Letterkenny, from Cynthia Fuery on 087 2414090 or the Offices of the Friends of Letterkenny University Hospital, St. Conals, Letterkenny, call 074-9104466. You can also find details of where to purchase online tickets and to see what you could win on the night on our Facebook page – https://www.facebook.com/FriendsofLetterkennyUniversityHospital. Tickets are €20 Each.Letterkenny charities join forces to launch celebrity cookery event was last modified: August 14th, 2018 by Rachel McLaughlinShare this:Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window)Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window)Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window)Click to share on Telegram (Opens in new window)Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window)Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window)Click to print (Opens in new window)last_img read more